Yeah, I agree with you Stella. Depression is rife in my family..on both side it now seems! I was told nothing about this until I was 45!! I've mentioned this before I think..I was told grandad(maternal) died of flu!..he died in an asylum...they didn't have the drugs then!...his dad hung himself in the work house with depression!..my aunt mums other sister had it..her daughter (is in a home)...now it turns out, it's on dad's side as well!..it wasn't talked about. The stigma attached of course. When I left the drying out unit all those years ago..the first thing I wanted to do was find the alky in the family!..none that I know of. But then as you say Stella, what good is it going to do me?..I have the same attitude as you. It is what it is, and I have to deal with it - along with outside help and medication - the best I can. But the one thing I'm not is ashamed of it. After all, I'm not a serial killer!...if anything, it encourages others to talk to me about it - in this community I mean. ..I've been listening to Jeremy Vine, and there is an overwhelming opinion that people like us have a great empathy and gentleness towards others.