False Emotion Disorder **STRONG AB/SU Triggers**

[Suzi]

I'm looking at my husband who is sitting upright with his head upright. He is looking forward. He is still depressed and has been dealing with his mental health since he was a child..... he's now 43....

[Suzi]

I have worse posture than my husband - I also have significant spinal issues other physical disabilities - and apart from PND which was caused by hormones and traumas of birth I don't have a diagnosed mental health issue....

[Suzi]

I have to say that I totally agree with Paula. Have you ever had therapy about the large amount of abuse you've suffered?

[Angie]

Ken I am copying your reply to here so I can reply

"I don't think I have ever said that my theory is the only reason. And only that it is a possibility that this could be causing it for you. I believe it causes it for me. And I think the blurbs about forward head posture is at least some back up from the science community that some believe that there is a physical connection to depression. And, regardless if it is physical or mental depression, it's still depression. It's how you got there that's different. And, in fact, I would say that physical depression is actually worse than mental depression because there is no obvious reason for it. I once wrote 'I wish something was really wrong, right now, so everything else wasn't.' and that's because it just starts throwing everything at you, trying to fix it mentally but it's not going to work."


You're making an assumption that its a possibility it could be causing it for me and others. Now searching for your "theory" and it is only a theory most of the things that come up are for chiropractors, these have nothing to do with mental health.

Why are you so intent on pushing this theory when you won't show a proven source for it to us?

[Allalone]

Over the years I’ve had quite a few episodes of depression. I played hockey regularly from I was 12 until I was 36. I exercised a lot more then than I am now and can definitely say it helped me. I walk the dog now instead of running and playing hockey and that helps me.

As for one type of depression being worse than another, that’s not something I can agree with. How can it be worse for one person? Because I had a crap childhood and my friend didn’t does that mean that my depression is worse than hers?

I’m not discounting your theory but I’m finding it difficult to get my head round it. You’ve given very little evidence to back it up.

[Ken Willidau]

Angie,

I am not pushing anything, I am offering it as possible help. I have posted it once and replied reasonably to every response.

And, it's not like I came on here and said pills are a waste of time and psychiatrists are, too, and science is wrong and my theory is the answer to everyone's problems and if you don't listen to me, you'll never be better.

And, if I am right and the chiropractors are right, then chiropractors do have something to do with mental health.

And I am the source for this theory. Do you want a DNA sample as proof? Sheesh.

Allalone and Paula,

Well, I know that my depression is worse at times than at others.

And all that trauma in my childhood is only an issue if I'm thinking about it. That's what I am saying is the problem with physical depression. It's making me think about it. It's presenting it to my conscience as a possible reason for why I am feeling the way I do.

If I am having a rage day, this might all be brought to the surface (I think I mentioned that one job is one-stop shopping and I usually just rage against that). I would be enraged by it all. But, if I went to these memories on purpose and thought about them, I wouldn't be enraged. I am more forgiving normally than that. I'd make excuses in my mind for my father (it was a different time / he might have been gay himself etc) and shoulder some of the blame for my actions and putting it more into context and realize that I don't remember everything and what I have forgotten might put everything in a different light. I'm not as forgiving when I feel enraged and it's just throwing at me things that enrage me. And I think the brain is throwing anything unresolved that might be the problem for how you're feeling, if nothing is happening now that's got you enraged. It's trying to help you solve a physical feeling but it's not going to do it with thoughts and could be making matters worse if you act upon your reactions from what you're thinking.

[Suzi]

Sorry, I don't think you've directly answered my questions.... So I'm putting them here to ask again...

Surely there HAS to be something wrong if it was making you want to end your life?

I think having loads of thoughts flood your head when you are not busy is something that a lot of people can relate to, but instead of thinking that it's in your face first (which I'm struggling with as a concept) maybe it IS a real thing and not a false emotion at all? Have you tried other techniques such as meditation or mindfulness?

Maybe it's about a balance, not an all or nothing approach?

Do you know whether you had a trigger for the way that you were feeling - apart from moving classrooms each lesson? Do you live with others? Do you socialise? Eat properly? Drink alcohol? Take any other medication?

Hold on, you think that your depression - or depressive emotion - is caused by your face when you have decades of abuse and trauma? Your psych couldn't find an issue when it strikes me you haven't dealt with any of that at all????

I have worse posture than my husband - I also have significant spinal issues other physical disabilities - and apart from PND which was caused by hormones and traumas of birth I don't have a diagnosed mental health issue....

Have you ever had therapy about the large amount of abuse you've suffered?

Thanks.

[Suzi]

ADMIN NOTE: As an important aside, I'm going to ask you to be mindful of the way that some of what you have said may come across. Making comments like Jaq not being open minded, asking Angie if she wanted a DNA sample etc just aren't something I'm happy to allow on here. Please remember that the team members are giving up their time to help me to run this place - somewhere that has meaning and importance to so many others.
You have belittled the effect that abuse and the horrors of living through those kind of experiences can have on people by completely ignoring that with regard to your own mental health.
Suggesting that depression may not be real and "just in your face" is against what I stand for. It's so hard for so many to ask for help with their mental health and to suggest that it may be a "false emotion" really isn't something that I'm happy for that message to be something I'm seen to promote.
I am not intending to "mute you", but I am standing up for what I believe and what I promote here and on the facebook page. I have worked very hard to get the the reputation that I have built up over the years and actually now being recommended by Mental Health Professionals..
We have asked repeatedly for more research to back up what you are saying, but you have not got anything to show, I've done some research and can't find a shred of evidence to back up your claims/theories. Maybe you're onto the route cause and can cure depression - that'd be amazing and I'd be happy to eat humble pie... However I can't see that happening.

I am going to close this thread now and ask that you do not start any more regarding this theory. Thank you.