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    Scientific basis generally starts from observations which are then examined in greater detail. Lorenz and Tinbergen for example, noticed a behaviour, made a hypothesis and then created an experiment to test that hypothesis. It wasn't just a theory pulled out of thin air. There was a mode of scientific inquiry based on an observation which was then investigated further. These ladies will tell you that I am one of the most open-minded people out there, but if I need to be more open-minded, then you need to seriously consider the language you use. Coming onto a depression forum and talking about false depression and it just being down to facial expressions could have very serious repercussions. For someone coming here for support, if your post was the first one they saw, it has a potential to reinforce the stigma prevalent in society and cause them to think that there is nothing wrong with them at a time they really need support.

    I can cite multiple academic sources for my views, it's nothing to do with me not being open-minded. I make my judgements on the evidence available to me, evidence that is based on decades of scientific reasearch. Come back with some research that backs up what you have to say an I will consider it.
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    I've been to about 5 psychiatrists and they all say about the same thing. That one was an exact quote. I was in despair and had attempted suicide at that time. I was crying when I left. How do you fix nothing wrong when you know something's wrong? That's when I started thinking that if it isn't mental, then, what is it?

    This is my problem. When I am with people or am working on anything, I am okay. It's when I disengage that all these thoughts start flooding my head. If something just happened, it would be about that and if not I think my brain looks for something trying to solve it. Like those days when you're worried about something, but you can't figure out what it is. And you start going through all the things that might be worrying you. It's like the worry is there in your face first, and your brain is trying to figure out why. And thinking about what could be worrying you starts worrying you for real.

    On May 21 2006 I stopped doing just about everything except going to one bar (no computer, little driving). The bar had great seats. Arm rests, padded seat and 360-swivel. On Sept 11, it was gone. I felt ungripped. After 35 years. It was freeing. All my cynicism, fog, thinking was gone. It was a life change. I bought my laptop. Buying clothes. Doing stuff for the house. Everything wasn't a struggle/what's the point. By December 18, I wrote in a blog that I could feel it creeping back in and I don't want to go back there, again.

    I believe I stress out my face/body and when I get alone and my face is disengaged/healing it mimics emotions that start the thoughts coming. The thoughts are as maddening as they were. But it's them being brought to me as a possible reason for the feeling that puts that thought on my mind and not just in my mind and support the feeling.

    The only good thing I can say about it is that it gets a lot of work done for me trying to avoid it. Even if I think that exacerbates the problem, itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Willidau View Post
    I've been to about 5 psychiatrists and they all say about the same thing. That one was an exact quote. I was in despair and had attempted suicide at that time. I was crying when I left. How do you fix nothing wrong when you know something's wrong? That's when I started thinking that if it isn't mental, then, what is it?
    Surely there HAS to be something wrong if it was making you want to end your life?

    This is my problem. When I am with people or am working on anything, I am okay. It's when I disengage that all these thoughts start flooding my head. If something just happened, it would be about that and if not I think my brain looks for something trying to solve it. Like those days when you're worried about something, but you can't figure out what it is. And you start going through all the things that might be worrying you. It's like the worry is there in your face first, and your brain is trying to figure out why. And thinking about what could be worrying you starts worrying you for real.
    I think having loads of thoughts flood your head when you are not busy is something that a lot of people can relate to, but instead of thinking that it's in your face first (which I'm struggling with as a concept) maybe it IS a real thing and not a false emotion at all? Have you tried other techniques such as meditation or mindfulness?

    On May 21 2006 I stopped doing just about everything except going to one bar (no computer, little driving). The bar had great seats. Arm rests, padded seat and 360-swivel. On Sept 11, it was gone. I felt ungripped. After 35 years. It was freeing. All my cynicism, fog, thinking was gone. It was a life change. I bought my laptop. Buying clothes. Doing stuff for the house. Everything wasn't a struggle/what's the point. By December 18, I wrote in a blog that I could feel it creeping back in and I don't want to go back there, again.
    If anyone is solely reliant on one thing - be it a bar, a forum, a cafe, a supermarket, a park then it isn't an option suddenly then that's always going to be difficult to deal with.
    Maybe it's about a balance, not an all or nothing approach?

    I believe I stress out my face/body and when I get alone and my face is disengaged/healing it mimics emotions that start the thoughts coming. The thoughts are as maddening as they were. But it's them being brought to me as a possible reason for the feeling that puts that thought on my mind and not just in my mind and support the feeling.

    The only good thing I can say about it is that it gets a lot of work done for me trying to avoid it. Even if I think that exacerbates the problem, itself.
    Do you know whether you had a trigger for the way that you were feeling - apart from moving classrooms each lesson? Do you live with others? Do you socialise? Eat properly? Drink alcohol? Take any other medication?
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    Could you tell me, Ken, whether this theory is based on any scientific basis or otherwise? Have you got any evidence you can share with us, other than a feeling you have this may be true? And what is your reason for coming to DWD? Is it to join a community of members who understand depression for support or to get this challenging theory out there?
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    1. I have had an unusual life. Child sexual abuse, father hitting me, shunning me, THE high school fag in the 70s, bullying, 4 people have tried to kill me, assault by a teacher, shunned by another, sexual assault by a doctor, sexual harassment at work, remembering 7 to 9 years old, that I had blocked out, when I was 28 years old, and realizing I have been living from the consequences of those years since then. A lot more and the day to day. It goes on. I should be constantly in despair.

    But, I rarely think about any of that stuff. Well, some of it. But, it's the gnawing stuff that gets me.

    2. I mainly think about one job period, now. From more than 20 years ago. It just starts coming to me. It's meaningless, now. That's the frustrating part. I'm getting as mad as I feel now at what never really bothered me then. But I had justifications for putting up with it then and not now. I joke about everything with people (a problem) but it's when I get these feelings that I am not in as forgiving a mood, now, to just let it go in my mind. Someone once asked me 'How much does it cost you to be that mellow?'. I have far worse to be thinking about than that job but work is my number one priority and I think my brain throws it at me first.

    3. But I think that one bar helped me. Just going there and off the computer and the great chair (swivel) and not driving de-stressed my body. I think it's an accumulation for me. After 3 months in grade 7 attempting suicide - never before. The 3 months to get rid of it. The 3 months to get it back.

    4. I'm social, jokey. I eat well. I drink but never at home - I go out to socialize / to not be alone. I was living with my mother with Alzheimer's who has gone into a nursing home a couple of months ago, which isn't helping now being alone but wasn't an issue then. I smoke pot (but not then) , but I've become so tolerant of that it doesn't have much effect, anymore. No other medications.

    I'm that person who people say to 'You're living the dream.'. I once wrote 'I am using everything I have stored to stop history from repeating itself to do it to myself a million times over again.'. I think when I get these feelings for no reason my brain is throwing out unresolved stuff from the past thinking that might be the issue. There's no criteria for a search. Like, give me anything that's making me or made me angry.

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    I'm just trying to help. I write joke books. I thought when I put this here (or anywhere) that people would be saying 'Yes. That's it.'. I wasn't expecting a negative reaction and, at least, a 'That's interesting. I wonder.'. I truly believe this is the reason for my depression.

    When I mentioned the impossible jar and getting the rage in your face, I think that's what happens with roid rage. Making the rage face lifting huge weights and the steroids working out the face and them feeling enraged after it. Their face has 'frozen' like that and then when it starts firming up will cause a rage feeling.

    Forward head motion is another example of causing it.

    Actually, doing anything too much that's resulting in a hangover effect from the exertion to your face and not making the connection between cause and effect.

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    Iíve added an additional trigger warning to your thread, Ken, as youíve discussed abuse. As with Suziís edit, itís nothing for you to worry about, itís DWD policy to protect all our members

    Iím not going to say Ďyes, thatís ití when I firmly believe it really isnít it. Youíve told Jaq she didnít have an open mind when actually what she was saying is strongly backed up by decades of scientific evidence and proof. I appreciate this is what you feel about your own health but Iíd be very surprised if you thought most people you discuss this with would agree with your theory. Iíd be happy to consider any evidence you have, though
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    Hold on, you think that your depression - or depressive emotion - is caused by your face when you have decades of abuse and trauma? Your psych couldn't find an issue when it strikes me you haven't dealt with any of that at all????
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    Yes, I do.

    I wasn't going to put this here. I'm probably going to get every trigger alert for this one. I wrote a document for Canada's Bell_Letstalk and put it on the ms drive for people to read (but they muted me - which is what I think you're going to do).

    PDF: Link removed by Suzi

    This explains it in more detail. Sort of. I only got it half finished by Jan 30 but it makes the point. And, Paula, it's one person I convinced about this.

    I don't know why you're being defensive about it. I think in my first post the first thing I said was that I have come up with a theory.

    And I don't know why Jaq would be saying I am enforcing a stigma. My depression is as real as anyone else's is. I'm just offering a possible reason for it. And that it's a false reason for me to have it.

    I think you're going to mute me after reading it, but I do appreciate you putting this on your site.

    Thank you.
    Last edited by Suzi; 10-02-19 at 12:23 AM. Reason: Link removed as per DWD rules

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    Not muting you at all. I don't know why you keep suggesting I would... But I have removed the link as per DWD rules.
    Please always remember that I am always right. I have a framed certificate to prove it.

    When in doubt, stop and think... WWSS? (What Would Suzi Say?)
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